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#1 Yoto32


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Posted 16 September 2018 - 7:05 PM

I'm posting this so it can stay in posterity, but Trump is not only an incompetent president, but he is an illegitimate one that has committed federal crimes both during the campaign and while in office, and needs to be impeached. Let's recap what happened in the past couple weeks since clearly OT is filled with Trump supporters who would rather not talk about this.

After being convicted of defrauding the government, Paul Manafort just agreed to a plea deal with Mueller. Notice how I didn't post to any news organization and went straight to the source. This isn't fake news. As part of the plea deal, Manafort admitted to committing crimes before, during, and after his time serving as the current president's campaign chair. He forfeited tens of millions of dollars in assets, which more than makes up the cost of the probe. He will have to cooperate with any government official about any criminal activity he witnessed. Paul Manafort also was at the Trump Tower meeting where the Trump campaign knowingly met with Russian agents in order to reap the benefits of a foreign government's attack on our institutions. If he doesn't cooperate, the deal is rescinded. If the President pardons his own campaign chair for crimes he committed while being his campaign chair, Manafort's tax crimes will be charged in the states where he committed those crimes. Michael Cohen, Trump's longtime personal lawyer, admitting to committing federal crimes during the election directed by Trump on his behalf. No wonder Trump is so desperate to shut down these investigations. His guilt is obvious, plain as day in every tweet about Mueller. But can you imagine that this is the state of the nation we're in? A president abusing his pardon power to protect his criminal campaign chair? A president abusing his position to protect his hide from his many criminal dealings? A president that is confirming a SCOTUS specifically because the candidate believes presidents should not be subject to criminal investigations? I did, before the election. Most people did, actually. But his supporters didn't. Or maybe they did, and this was actually the America they wanted. This is exactly how much they care about democracy and the rule of law: consequences for Democrats but not for them.

Furthermore, there is the op ed from the New York Times. You know which one I'm talking about. That's not the only report of Trump's gross incompetence. Hundreds of credible stories by reputable sources of Trump's aggressive incompetence are out there. Besides, you can tell just listening to him that he's a couple suits short of a deck. I'm not going to link to any because we all know how this will play out: conservatives whose only interest is advancing their own agenda will claim "fake news", completely uninterested in the fact that senior Trump officials, who are so completely devoted to also advancing the Trump agenda are so worried about Trump's complete inability to be anything but a disgrace to the country that they are unconstitutionally hindering the president just so he doesn't ruin the country. And no, I don't think they should be breaking the Constitution either. There are ways in the Constitution to protect the presidency from a man like Trump, and it's those ways that should be used.. However, both the Cabinet and Congress are completely derelict in their Constitutional duties. Republicans in Congress have doubled down on protecting an illegitimate president who has sold out the country to a foreign government as it waged war on our institutions. At best, he fraudulently deceived the American people when he committed federal campaign crimes. There is no real check on the President, and they have abdicated their duty to protect the nation. And they do this because of their base, of Trump supporters who don't want to admit how awful, how stupid, how incompetent, how dangerous their candidate is to this nation, just so they can pass their vision of America.

And what vision is that? A growing, $800 billion deficit? Tax cuts to the rich? People with preexisting conditions going bankrupt from insurance? Trade markets the US is excluded from? Being a complete laughingstock to the rest of the world? 3,000 dead in Puerto Rico? Neonazis marching in the streets? Children in cages? I've had plenty of disagreements with people who have differing ideologies in the past, but this is more than that for me. This is a difference in decency, in democracy, in humanity. 

This'll be my last post in OT. I'm done arguing this. There is nothing more to be said in the matter.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 7:10 PM

Your topics shall b missed Yoto 

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 7:11 PM

I agree but:

and needs to be impeached

Pence would, arguably, be worse for our country. The best thing we as a people can do is focus on local politics with a "think global, act local" mindset, and vote on November 6th. Best case scenario, Democrats take back the house and, dare I say it... the oval office in 2020.


*cough* Booker 2020!

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 7:13 PM

Thank you Yoto, very cool!

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 8:31 PM

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 8:58 PM

brainwashed by the media

Edited by Evf, 16 September 2018 - 9:05 PM.

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Posted 16 September 2018 - 9:52 PM

Agreed with your sentiments. I'm sure he's doing some things right, but I don't often hear of those things. Also, politics aside, Trump lacks the eloquence and sophistication of his predecessors. Hopefully the next figure in office is someone who the rest of the world respects.

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